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Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Pope Francis

As archbishop of Argentina:

Some quotes:
On abortion: “Abortion is the death penalty for the unborn”
On homosexual marriage: “Let's not be naïve, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”
In 2010: "Homosexual adoption is discrimination against children."
"We should commit ourselves to 'eucharistic coherence', that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive Holy Communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortion, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals."
In 2005: "Defend the unborn against abortion even if they persecute you, calumniate you, set traps for you, take you to court or kill you. No child should be deprived of the right to be born, the right to be fed, the right to go to school. No elderly person should be left alone, abandoned." 

St. Francis of Assisi is commonly acknowledged to have cleansed and saved a corrupt, wastrel Church bureaucracy by living a holy, simple life that caused everyone to flock to live his example. His simple life embarrassed the rich and pompous priests and bishops. Many began to imitate him, and so the Church was transformed.

Sandro Magister believes that Pope Francis is in the line of Benedict, trying to cleanse the Church of the influences of secular humanism.  This is the greatest struggle in the Church today.

We may have just seen the election of a saint.


Kevin said...

Don't tell the Rorate people that. Most of them are convinced he is the spawn of a twisted union of Benedict IX and Alexander VI.

If they haven't beclowned themselves already, hopefully Pope Francis is a holy pope, if only to shame them.

Tancred said...

Rorate isn’t known for making exaggerated and ridiculous statements. If anything, I feel they’re too reserved, almost academic.

Jordanes551 said...
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Jordanes551 said...

While I cannot speak for all "Rorate people" (which presumably includes commenters, for whose opinions the blog owner and blog contributors and moderators are not responsible), I think I can say that Kevin's hyperbole is gravely unfair

Beth said...

Do you know where the quote on abortion comes from? I can't find a source but I'd really like to share it!

Beth said...

Just to clarify, I was wondering about the 2005 quote on abortion.

Steve Kellmeyer said...

It was from Lifesite News. I've also put the link into the article.

Kevin said...


I speak for some (not all) of the writers on that site for posting wild nonsense (the amount of languages a pope knows or doesn't know, that he isn't a curial officer like Sodano or Bertone means he shouldn't be pope, that he was weaksauce on gay marriage and abortion when the evidence is clearly otherwise) and a lot of the people in the comment boxes, who really need help.

Saying you aren't responsible for people in comment boxes is all well and good, but every now and then, at least once, if they are spouting paranoid delusions, it's wise to say they are paranoid delusions, and to knock it off. There's a difference between how they handled it and someone like Fr. Z and just about every other Catholic blogger handled it.

Heck, even the SSPX was more charitable than they were for crying out loud.

Jordanes551 said...

I appreciate your concerns. Now, moderating policy at Rorate Caeli has varied at times from very strict to very lenient -- it's now in a pretty lenient phase. But whatever the moderating policy, commenters' opinions are their own, and not even an opinion expressed by one of the contributors is necessarily the position of Rorate Caeli (which is determined by the blog owner "New Catholic"). Sometimes moderators do make interventions in the comment box, but within certain boundaries (no anti-Semitism, for example, no direct sedevacantist or Eastern Orthodox polemics or propaganda, etc.) we generally try to keep a low profile and let the commenters have their say.

Beth said...

In case you're curious, I found the original homily in Spanish from whence came the 2005 quote on abortion. Unfortunately, he didn't actually use those words. He would probably agree with the quote as stated, but it's not a direct quote.

My rough translation:

(First paragraph of the homily) "Jesus words are difficult, they tell us that if we carry his message forward, others will persecute us, speak falsely against us, set traps for us to take us to court, and kill us. But go forward, and be astute, to distinguish the serpents from the doves."

(Then, in the second to last paragraph, after expounding on the culture of life/culture of death in Argentina, and its relationship to the anti-abortion/pro-life cause) "These words remind me that I have to fight for life, to care for life. There should not be a single child that doesn't have a right to be born, or fed, or go to school.""