tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post4849633992962794069..comments2024-03-20T16:30:09.690-05:00Comments on The Fifth Column: Washing Muslim FeetUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-41368637090219368232013-04-11T13:14:46.251-05:002013-04-11T13:14:46.251-05:00Mohammedism is fully treated, classically, by Bell...Mohammedism is fully treated, classically, by Belloc and, contemporaneously, by Bill Federer, but what this ecu-maniacal faux-humilty does, according the Koran's Sharia, is make the young muslim woman a candidate to be stoned to death, or at least, mercifully, scourged. So, when the young woman gets out of jail, maybe we can make a safe-house out of the innocupado papal apartments. Maybe the young ladsy can help re-write the GIRM as well.. VIVA CHRISTA REY!Assisihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03049741125841595717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-91623615892509385972013-04-04T08:25:32.810-05:002013-04-04T08:25:32.810-05:00I agree that true humility requires obedience to t...I agree that true humility requires obedience to the laws and rules of the Church. You may have hit on something regarding Pope Francis seeming to be setting his pontifical path on reaching out to Muslims. He did choose to wash the feet of a Muslim woman, but he also washed the feet of an Italian Catholic woman. My concern is not what the future actions of this pope may be, but what this particular action showed to the rest of the Catholic world. To me, it shows that the rules/rubrics of the Church can be ignored, and that is a dangerous precedent to set, especially at the very beginning of his pontificate. He may be concerned with Muslims, but I am concerned with Catholics. Many Catholics don't know their own Faith. Just as we had gotten a more reverent translation of the Mass, now we see the flaunting of the rules by our pope. I don't think it is insignificant. True humility requires bending our own wishes to the authority of the Church.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05968810669834802481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-57387463385214543512013-04-04T01:33:23.600-05:002013-04-04T01:33:23.600-05:00Not to mention that Christ died for the sins of Mu...Not to mention that Christ died for the sins of Muslims, and so we are united with them through the cross. Now whether or not they, or us, will be saved is another question. <br /><br />In any case, I think the idea that there is NO spiritual relationship between Catholics and Muslims paints with a bit too broad of a brush.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07130831351237667189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-55464804715016483552013-04-04T01:30:04.057-05:002013-04-04T01:30:04.057-05:00Here's the quote:
"The Pope didn't i...Here's the quote:<br /><br />"The Pope didn't intend to wash a woman's feet - he intended to wash a MUSLIM woman's feet, the feet of a woman who could not possibly be ordained, because she wasn't even baptized."<br /><br />You clearly say that the woman in question could not be ordained BECAUSE she is unbaptized. If lack of baptism is the cause of her not being able to be ordained then it is only a temporary impediment, because she can of course be baptized. So the lack of baptism is not really what makes it IMPOSSIBLE for her to be ordained. Rather, it's the fact that she is a woman, baptized or not.<br /><br />There is no clean cut distinction between biological relationships and spiritual relationships. Original sin is transmitted by generation, therefore biological relationships are also spiritual relationships. Muslims, just like anyone else, are descendents of Adam, and so suffer from the consequences of the fall. Muslims, just like anyone else, are descendants of Noah and so the beneficiaries of God's promise not to destroy the earth by flood again.<br /><br />PaxAndrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07130831351237667189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-55135682945881847502013-04-03T10:01:12.191-05:002013-04-03T10:01:12.191-05:00Hello Steve -
I find this very interesting, but I ...Hello Steve -<br />I find this very interesting, but I do not know what to make of it, at least not yet.<br /><br />I have found it rather interesting that there has been so much coverage and "praise" given to Pope Francis for his humility, rejection of the pomp and pageantry of the papacy, etc. How many of his gestures have been so loving and warm, etc. Has there never been a Pope prior to this who has done some or all of these things? (Exclusive of rejecting the "trappings" of the papal office, which I just find to be a very confusing direction for him to go in? I don't know if it is wise to take centuries of tradition and just toss them out the window - perhaps he will come back to them after his new role becomes more familiar?)<br /><br />It seems that you are bucking the trend of most reports, and these days that is not necessarily a bad direction to be going in, thinking of the recent U.S. political cycle - too many "followers" not enough people thinking outside the box! I'll look forward to further analysis from you on how things are shaking out in these early days of his papacy. And where you think these overtures are going. It seems that these political positions are somewhat unsettling - what it means to the Church, to the direction that Pope Francis will take in bolstering the faith of faithful Catholics (or having the opposite effect?), what kind of changes are in store once he really "gets going" on his agenda (if I may call it that...) Interesting things to think about and watch out for.<br /><br />Thank you for putting these thoughts out there - keep up the good work!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-8835302829317902302013-04-03T07:57:30.437-05:002013-04-03T07:57:30.437-05:001) There is no such implication.
2) I already sai...1) There is no such implication.<br /><br />2) I already said there was a biological relationship. Your examples demonstrate no spiritual relationship.<br /><br />Muslims don't have an Abrahamic or Noachide heritage beyond the biological. As descendants of Ishmael, they aren't part of the Abrahamic covenant. <br /><br />THEY *THINK* they are, but they aren't. Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-52083840719319044312013-04-03T07:32:45.008-05:002013-04-03T07:32:45.008-05:00Hello Steve,
Just a few problems with your analys...Hello Steve,<br /><br />Just a few problems with your analysis. <br /><br />1. You say that a non-baptized woman could not possibly be ordained. That's true, but you seem to imply that a baptized woman somehow COULD be ordained. That's not true.<br /><br />2. Your statement that Catholics and Muslims share no spiritual heritage is false. God's covenants with Abraham and Noah being two examples that you overlooked.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07130831351237667189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-31887950581281658092013-04-01T23:12:17.475-05:002013-04-01T23:12:17.475-05:00Thanks, Doug!
And thank you, Cori!
At the time I ...Thanks, Doug!<br />And thank you, Cori!<br /><br />At the time I wrote this, I still didn't have access to the Pope's Easter Urbi et Orbi address.<br /><br />Read THAT address and it becomes even more clear: virtually every country named involves a Muslim group or groups engaged in violence.<br /><br />Holy Thursday washing a Muslim man and woman's feet. Holy Friday, devoting a substantial portion of his two paragraph remarks to a commemoration of "Muslim brothers and sisters." Easter Sunday, calling out Muslims before he gives the blessing.<br /><br />It's almost like there's a pattern here, isn't it?Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-57549760171118112282013-04-01T19:10:05.287-05:002013-04-01T19:10:05.287-05:00Makes sense to me.
Makes sense to me.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Corihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075450756621043742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-55865744161706890052013-04-01T14:34:14.474-05:002013-04-01T14:34:14.474-05:00Steve- This is the most thought provoking thing I ...Steve- This is the most thought provoking thing I have read regarding the Holy Father's actions. <br /><br />Thanks.Doug Pearsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08321954889600414571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-22080298716879276982013-04-01T08:25:48.398-05:002013-04-01T08:25:48.398-05:00the washing of the Muslim woman's feet was a r...the washing of the Muslim woman's feet was a ridiculous gesture. Jesus only washed the feet of his disciples who were committed to him. No Muslim believes in Jesus Christ as God's only begotten Son in the flesh. Steve Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07365458906085087105noreply@blogger.com