tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post2116559487595427998..comments2024-03-20T16:30:09.690-05:00Comments on The Fifth Column: Catholic Homiletics PornUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-28252133967676824872013-03-09T09:39:00.338-06:002013-03-09T09:39:00.338-06:00The Denzinger paragraph you quote is a condemned e...The Denzinger paragraph you quote is a condemned error of John Hus, see the note right before par 627 in the link you provide.bgeorge77https://www.blogger.com/profile/14524051055544962510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-54972081778850155652012-12-08T14:54:03.988-06:002012-12-08T14:54:03.988-06:00J.
I notice you didn't answer a single one of...J.<br /><br />I notice you didn't answer a single one of my questions...<br /><br />I'm sorry you don't accept Augustine's viewpoint. I also didn't realize that you were more authoritative than the OED.<br /><br />I've given this priest fair play. <br /><br />It's a pity you can't see that.<br />Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-22454893881439804462012-12-08T13:51:04.886-06:002012-12-08T13:51:04.886-06:00Steve,
I'm sorry you don't understand the...Steve,<br /><br />I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between claiming someone as a type of the Antichrist, and claiming him to be the Antichrist himself. I think I'm starting to understand why you jump to so many conclusions.<br /><br />I suppose it's the same sort of error that inspires one to flee to the Oxford English Dictionary to prove the proper use of a word. The OED long ago gave up the authority of dictating use, instead becoming a mere mirror of popular culture.<br /><br />This is not the first sermon the priest in question has given about the Last Days and the Antichrist. He has noted the role of sinners in the Church making way for the Antichrist before. I won't try to defend him as a bastion of common sense or as the most level-headed fellow in the room, but he deserves fair play.<br /><br />All my best,<br />J.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02124903563459448051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-78648947561752818702012-12-08T09:54:13.293-06:002012-12-08T09:54:13.293-06:00What a shame -- and here I've been trying to s...What a shame -- and here I've been trying to sell my fellow homeschoolers on the TLM partly based on the orthodox teaching that usually comes with it.<br /><br />Not sure how this might figure in to a decision for you, but isn't the case that in the Tridentine Mass, the homily is not an integral part of the Mass itself in the way that it is in the Novus Ordo? (Isn't that why the priest removes his maniple for the homily?) Not that this is an excuse for giving bad homilies.Mater et Magistrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14961570084832388075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-32079002575859833202012-12-07T19:24:27.591-06:002012-12-07T19:24:27.591-06:00J.
I did a little research on the Fathers and the...J.<br /><br />I did a little research on the Fathers and the Anti-Christ.<br /><br />It turns out the good priest was wrong. Of all the Fathers, I can find only ONE, <a href="http://biblelight.net/fathers-on-antichrist.htm" rel="nofollow">John Chrysostom</a>, who said Nero was the Anti-Christ. None of the others do. In fact, Augustine, Irenaus and Lactantius thought it ridiculous.<br /><br />And the original idea came the Donatists, who were heretics.<br /><br />I've updated the essay to reflect those facts.Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-47778420761958697832012-12-07T16:36:56.691-06:002012-12-07T16:36:56.691-06:00Daddylamb, I entirely agree with you.
This priest...Daddylamb, I entirely agree with you.<br /><br />This priest shows NO respect for his office at all when he preaches like this. <br /><br />You would THINK an ordained man would try to teach about the doctrines of the Church, but he appeals to raw emotions like the basest tele-evangelist. It's pure abuse of his office.<br /><br />It disgusts me.<br /><br />Thanks for that observation.<br />Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-51290729314077861762012-12-07T15:35:32.347-06:002012-12-07T15:35:32.347-06:00The lack of respect for the office of the preistho...The lack of respect for the office of the preisthood in this post is deplorable.<br /><br />My hope is that the intent is more to create a visceral emotional response in the reader than it be truly believed whole heartedly.daddylambhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05714082478988698675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-40081548313952732662012-12-07T14:18:42.691-06:002012-12-07T14:18:42.691-06:00J
Thank you for demonstrating my points.
As you ...J<br /><br />Thank you for demonstrating my points.<br /><br />As you point out, he went on and on about Nero. Of what possible doctrinal utility was it to allude to Nero's crimes? In what way did this allusion help him elucidate the doctrines related to the anti-Christ? Did he use it to explain any doctrine, or was it merely there for titillation?<br /><br />In fact, do you remember him AT ANY POINT explaining ANY aspect of the doctrine of the anti-Christ? <br /><br />For instance, did he mention the central doctrine: that the anti-Christ is the one who denies God came in the flesh?<br /><br />Did he mention the conciliar doctrine, that ordained priesthood would prepare the way for the anti-Christ?<br /><br />Did he make any reference to the CCC (trick question - he NEVER makes any reference to the CCC)?<br /><br />Since you don't know anything about Temple sacrifice, I shall leave your comments in that regard stand as they are. I have sufficiently refuted those in this essay and the Voris essay.<br /><br />As for my use of the word "porn", perhaps you should try reading the Oxford English Dictionary sometime:<br /><br />http://oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/porn?q=porn<br /><br />"2 television programs, magazine, books, etc. that are regarded as emphasizing the sensuous or sensational aspects of a nonsexual subject and stimulating a compulsive interest in their audience:<br />a thrilling throwback to the golden age of disaster movies—weather porn of the highest order"<br /><br />Stay informed, J.Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-13298674406064983322012-12-07T10:51:58.082-06:002012-12-07T10:51:58.082-06:00I figured out a while back that you attend the sam...I figured out a while back that you attend the same parish I do, though apparently at different Mass times. That means I actually heard the sermon you're complaining about, and while I agree that the priest in question has a tendency to, shall we say, allow his subject to run away from him, your characterization is a bit unfair.<br /><br />The belief that Nero in fact <i>was</i> the Antichrist was widespread during his reign, and with good reason. Some early Christians after Nero's death even speculated that Nero himself would be resurrected as the Antichrist before the Final Judgment. Later, when St. John Chrysostom gave a sermon about St. Paul's second epistle to the Thessalonians, he said that St. Paul "speaks here of Nero, <i>as if he were the type of Antichrist</i>. For he too wished to be thought a god."<br /><br />Ott is rejecting a kind of preterist interpretation which would claim that the Antichrist is merely a historical figure and not a future enemy of God and the Church. He is not rejecting the use of historical figures as types of the Antichrist (at least, he is not in the selection quoted; I don't have my copy of Ott in front of me to read further).<br /><br />I expect the priest hinted at the "sordidness that he dare not speak," because much of what Nero did should in fact <i>be</i> unspeakable when young children are present. If you don't know what I'm talking about, a minute or two on Google will inform you.<br /><br />As to being able to "almost see" a ripple of excitement and titillation throughout the congregation -- well, I think the "almost" speaks for itself, and for the vividness of your imagination.<br /><br />About the thing with the Jews, I think the point was simply that no Jews today celebrate the religion set down by Moses, which revolved around sacrifice and atonement for sin. In other words, they are Jews by blood but not by cult, because they are unable (though perhaps willing) to keep the Mosaic Law. I suppose that's an arguable point -- I don't know enough about post-Temple Judaism to say -- but I'm given to understand that this is an argument made by many of the Church Fathers and Doctors, as well.<br /><br />And thanks for perpetuating the popular but incorrect use of the word "porn." Stay classy.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02124903563459448051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-19813701924430432852012-12-06T14:53:28.341-06:002012-12-06T14:53:28.341-06:00Well...it's not a attractive option, given the...Well...it's not a attractive option, given the distance, but our place has some benefits. <br /><br />The sermons aren't terrible and the Mass is usually well-celebrated.<br /><br />Feel free to give me a shout by email if you want to discuss.Flambeauxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00133131881423202010noreply@blogger.com