tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post8606015717175958152..comments2024-03-20T16:30:09.690-05:00Comments on The Fifth Column: Shut Up, He ExplainedUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-21680215152394155502010-02-09T15:35:49.185-06:002010-02-09T15:35:49.185-06:00Hey Brendan
That was my point regarding Allen'...Hey Brendan<br /><br />That was my point regarding Allen's piece, you know. He left the most compelling argument for his "theory" out of it. <br />As for Thiessen, I've heard about him just very recently (I'm not even American, as you may know), and I wanted to see his interview on Raymond Arroyo, but managed to catch just a snippet of it; therefore I don't really feel comfortable having any opinion about him...(but if he subscribes to the "<i>If it's used on your own troops it can't be torture</i>"<br />crappy reasoning, I probably won't like him :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-37444231265962166092010-02-09T13:26:04.785-06:002010-02-09T13:26:04.785-06:00[Matheus F. Ticiani]: and curiously, the only item...<i><b>[Matheus F. Ticiani]:</b> and curiously, the only item in the list that would be intrinsically immoral and to which some conservatives subscribe, the acceptance of torture, is absent from it</i><br /><br />Nobody is condoning torture. <a href="http://www.marcthiessen.com/" rel="nofollow">Waterboarding is not torture.</a>Brendanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15123119830359717991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-25132673112348298942010-02-08T23:37:30.162-06:002010-02-08T23:37:30.162-06:00Hey, I LIKE Bishop Ferrell, and Bishop Vann. Both ...Hey, I LIKE Bishop Ferrell, and Bishop Vann. Both are ENORMOUS, VAST improvements over the two (dare I say it? Yes, I dare) incompetents who ruled before them. <br /><br />But I ABSOLUTELY HATE the argument he used. It's not just pompous, it's damned stupid. <br /><br />And then to have John Allen, of all people, praise it as high-brow, even-handed speech... <br /><br />AAAaahhhhhh...... puhlease. I'm just tired to death of this particular pile of barnyard excrement. I wish people would move onto another rhetorical device that isn't so egregiously slimy.Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-9373280662102566262010-02-08T23:06:36.925-06:002010-02-08T23:06:36.925-06:00Having attended the University of Dallas, but not ...Having attended the University of Dallas, but not being well acquainted with Bishop Farrell, I am not positive of this analysis, but here is what I am concerned has happened. The University of Dallas has a reputation of conservatism and orthodoxy; good so far. It attracts the same and those self-styled in the same manner, maybe even those who might be a little over the top; still fine here. The students are almost all young adults; well and fine. The problem, is that in some cases the combination derived may be some very young, very devout, Catholics, who may not be completely aware of all of the private pastoral counseling that goes on prior to the public declaration of a heretic. I could be wrong, they could all be leaving their offering at the altar to find their brother, and then eventually to find the bishop, and leaving the matter in the hands of the bishop and prayerfully waiting for the bishops pastoral judgement to be executed. Or, like I was at that age, they could be impatient, and not see things change in a month or a year, and be taking matters into their own, voices. I'm afraid that the bishop may have been attempting a pastoral admonishment to a specific audience, and that he may just be no Chrysostom. <br /><br />From there, poor wording out of the bag, it is just possible that the thing has gotten out of control. Maybe I'll have to go see what the Other Bishop Kevin (we're in Fort Worth diocese with Bishop Vann) has been up to besides this. Up to now, I'd been hearing mostly good.<br /><br />By-the-by, this is not at all to say that pastoral action should allow heresy to continue beyond what cannot be helped, just simply that the intention could have been spot-on, even if Bishop Farrell hasn't yet reached the seasoning of the wily old bishops whose every moves commend them for canonization.DMofDOOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10750994487488599745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-33741114383090091122010-02-08T17:03:31.933-06:002010-02-08T17:03:31.933-06:00I met him once, right before he was slated to give...I met him once, right before he was slated to give a talk on "Pope Benedict's Attitude Towards Islam."<br /><br />I mentioned that this would be a pretty short talk, since the Pope had only been on the throne for about a year, and hadn't really said anything about Islam.<br /><br />He replied that Ratzinger had said a lot about Islam. <br /><br />I didn't say it aloud, but I was thinking that it doesn't matter what a cardinal says about a subject. Once he becomes Pope, his ideas on the subject often change radically as a result of his being lifted up to the office.<br /><br />Later on, I predicted to a friend of mine that John Allen would actually say very little about Benedict's attitude towards Islam. In fact, he didn't. He just regaled the crowd with a bunch of stories about various cardinals. <br /><br />John Allen has no formal training in theology. Like George Weigel, he just kind of lucked into a position that makes him an "authority" even though neither one of them really know very much about the Catholic Faith. The more I read either one of them, the less impressed I am.Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-75209224389243867222010-02-08T15:27:35.983-06:002010-02-08T15:27:35.983-06:00Hey, I just realised I made a mistake on my prevou...Hey, I just realised I made a mistake on my prevous comment (I thought the Allen had ascribed the bolded traits to the "Talibans" when they were from the right-wing "Catholicism Lite"), But it made me take a look the darn thing again and I was again dumbfounded:<br /><br /><i>...there's a Taliban instinct on the Catholic left that can be just as noxious as its right-wing version. It generally includes paranoia about almost any exercise of authority in the church, coupled with derision of any attempt to defend traditional Catholic thought, speech or practice</i><br /><br />According to him, the left "Taliban" also get a stronger label for defending minor errors, while the abortionists and the rest of the gang go to the other group...<br /><br />I give up trying to understand his reasoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-54215199236388695092010-02-08T15:06:02.488-06:002010-02-08T15:06:02.488-06:00Exactly right. I failed to notice that.
Allen con...Exactly right. I failed to notice that.<br /><br />Allen condemns prudential judgements he doesn't agree with, exactly like Bishop Farrell condemns prudential judgements HE doesn't agree with.<br /><br />Peas in a pod.<br /><br />I'm really, really tired of this pro-abort style argument being used by Catholics. <br /><br />To Catholics who support this kind of rhetoric: Man up and grow a pair, would ya? (or is that too .... shudder... confrontational?)Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-62230245461799303562010-02-08T15:01:32.466-06:002010-02-08T15:01:32.466-06:00Now, Allen protests that such Catholics are presen...<i>Now, Allen protests that such Catholics are present on the left and the right.</i><br /><br />I agree with him on that Steve, but did you notice the way he presents his case?:<br /><br /><i>...there's a right-wing form of Catholicism Lite that's just as watered-down and sold out to secularism as its kissing cousin on the left. In the States, it can take the form of a country club Republican Catholicism -- <b>untroubled by the inequities of global free-market capitalism, quite at home with anti-immigrant rhetoric, the death penalty, and the use of armed force</b>.</i><br /><br />That is, unless I'm really stupid: according to him the right-wing "Talibans" get the over-the-top label for subscribing to ideas that, if I'm not mistaken, are not immoral <i>per se</i> (and curiously, the only item in the list that would be intrinsically immoral and to which some conservatives subscribe, the acceptance of torture, is absent from it).<br /><br />The kind of stuff you see whenever liberal or otherwise misguided Catholics make half-baked attempts at "neutrality"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com