tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post3868113970485570276..comments2024-03-20T16:30:09.690-05:00Comments on The Fifth Column: Obama's GameUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-71671117893440283042011-05-14T21:12:39.937-05:002011-05-14T21:12:39.937-05:00Well, not to cast aspersions on Mark's politic...Well, not to cast aspersions on Mark's political acumen (or maybe the reverse), but wasn't Mark Shea the same man who was <a href="http://markshea.blogspot.com/2011/02/prayer-requests.html" rel="nofollow">thrilled about the overthrow of Mubarak in Egypt?</a> <br /><br />You remember Mubarak. He's the man <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/0107/Egypt-s-Copts-boldly-celebrate-Christmas-despite-threat-of-further-attacks" rel="nofollow">whose sons put their own bodies between Coptic Christians and Muslim fanatics.</a> Yep, Mark sure was glad to see Mubarak gone. <br /><br />But, Mark is an odd duck.<br /><br />Ever since I told Mark he's free to comment on this blog <b>as long as he doesn't beg for money</b>, he's been unwilling to show his face over here.<br /><br />I guess he's hoping someone will throw him some nickels if he keeps barking like a seal over at his own place. <br /><br />But the real question is, can he balance a ball on his nose? And is it right to throw him a fish during the performance, or should you wait until he's finished?Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-15507642854640068842011-05-14T08:15:38.648-05:002011-05-14T08:15:38.648-05:00Oh Steve, I see Mark Shea has been ridiculing this...Oh Steve, I see Mark Shea has been ridiculing this post on the various blogs and websites he blovates on. Since he's foolish enough to provide a link to this post, you will probably pick up some new readers. You know what they say, any publicity is good publicity!Steve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-9193643934034061802011-05-07T16:49:41.079-05:002011-05-07T16:49:41.079-05:00Stupid thoughts may creep into your blog, some of ...Stupid thoughts may creep into your blog, some of the others invite them in! LOL!Steve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-33451676470806009662011-05-07T13:07:00.364-05:002011-05-07T13:07:00.364-05:00Well, thanks for the kudos, but unfortunately, stu...Well, thanks for the kudos, but unfortunately, stupid thoughts can creep in - generally they originate from me...Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-37989948980579012162011-05-07T13:05:59.487-05:002011-05-07T13:05:59.487-05:00Steve, I understand why you deleted my comment. Yo...Steve, I understand why you deleted my comment. You wish to be sensitive to other people's feelings is commendable. This is one of the main reasons why I read this blog. Many bloggers, like Mark Shea, turn me off by the way they savage people who dare disagree with them. You do criticize people who disagree with you, but as your reply to Jordanes551 shows, you deal with the issues and ideas of a person, instead of attacking the person himself. Your style reminds me of Matthew Bellisario of the Catholic Champion Blog and Michael Voris of Real Catholic TV. They encourage their readers/listeners to get back to the Fathers and other important documents that explain Catholic teaching and dogma just like you do. And if you comment on any social or political issue, you do so from the classic theology of the Church, not from "the Church started in 1962" mindset. Again, your blog is good. Don't let it become a rag where any opinion, no matter how stupid it is, will be published! LOL!Steve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-17941473442705532482011-05-07T12:06:33.821-05:002011-05-07T12:06:33.821-05:00Scotju,
First, I want to apologize for deleting y...Scotju,<br /><br />First, I want to apologize for deleting your comment. I know you just meant to explain Jordanes history to me, but I'm not sure he necessarily wants it aired in public.<br /><br />I've known Jordanes for many years, and am aware of his history. <br /><br />I agree with you that this is undoubtedly why he is averse to conspiracy theories. Thanks for taking the time to explain it.Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-62219558382932695392011-05-07T08:38:13.812-05:002011-05-07T08:38:13.812-05:00For reasons of his own, Jordanes is intensely aver...For reasons of his own, Jordanes is intensely averse to the idea that the truth can be successfully hidden by a small group of determined people.<br /><br />Because of this, he can't entertain the idea that there are certain situations in which a small group of people actually HAVE successfully hidden the truth for certain amounts of time. <br /><br />He's a very intelligent guy in all other respects - it's just this aversion to the idea that anyone can really do this that puts blinders on how he interprets facts.Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-57958762161958669952011-05-07T08:35:29.661-05:002011-05-07T08:35:29.661-05:00Your comments on Obama's game were right on ta...Your comments on Obama's game were right on target. The killing of Osama, while a welcome event, is indeed a point scorer for Barry. The "release" of his forged birth certificate and Osama's death gives him a chance to wrap himself in the flag.<br />It is amazing that Jordanes551 can't see through this. I happen to know he's a journalist, so he should be wise to the ways news can be manipulated. And if he's such a good one, why doesn't he smell cover-up in the supression of Obama's documents and history?Steve "scotju" Daltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17864544146213840928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-9019213446910791202011-05-05T11:06:59.378-05:002011-05-05T11:06:59.378-05:00Jordanes,
Perhaps you should read more closely. I...Jordanes,<br /><br />Perhaps you should read more closely. I pointed out "he took a calculated risk..." <br /><br />Obama could have given a total pass to the mission and no one would ever have known. After all, there was no guarantee Osama was even IN the compound, so no one could charge Obama with having failed to get bin Laden if he gave the whole op a pass. <br /><br />But, the SEAL teams were training for at least a month, probably more than a month, for this mission. He knew the intel as well as anyone, and he threw the dice. <br /><br />Would a failure have guaranteed his defeat? There's no reason to think it would. Carter's defeat was guaranteed by a military catastrophe that failed to rescue American hostages, and he failed April 24th, 1980 - six months before a presidential election. <br /><br />Carter's problem was a surprise - we didn't expect to have a hostage crisis at all, and his ineptitude was what created the crisis to begin with, so the problem was a lot more his to own.<br /><br />That isn't true with Obama and Osama. Obama doesn't own this problem the same way Carter owned the hostage crisis.<br /><br />Even better, this incident is April 2011, 18 months before the presidential election. It doesn't involve American hostages, it just targets a man who everyone agrees is hard to catch. <br /><br />Here, if soldiers died, all Obama had to do was blame circumstances, or the military for ineptitude, or both and call for some resignations. It's a war, nobody would be surprised by another miss like Tora Bora, and it's a long time until the next election. <br /><br />The Tora Bora miss didn't hurt GWB, why would this miss hurt Obama? Especially with a compliant media. <br /><br />Your counter-argument is silly.<br /><br />When a man spends $2 million to keep his history (such as medical records, grade records, birth certificates and other documents) out of the public eye, that raises <br />legitimate questions. <br /><br />If you don't think so, that's because you don't understand the issues. <br /><br />You have already demonstrated you don't understand the distinction the founders made between "citizen", "naturalized citizen" and "natural born citizen", so it's not surprising to see that you don't understand the issues around the birth certificate.<br /><br />Your analysis of this simply confirms that you don't understand the differences between Carter's hostage crisis, Clinton's failure to snag bin Laden, GWB's failure to snag bin Laden and Obama's gamble.Steve Kellmeyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509461318016670424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-71357658728757790962011-05-05T10:50:57.000-05:002011-05-05T10:50:57.000-05:00He intends to conflate people who still have legit...<i>He intends to conflate people who still have legitimate questions about his birth certificate and his status as "natural born citizen" with the Elvis, Hitler and soon-to-be Osama sighters.</i><br /><br />There are not and never were any legitimate questions about his birth certificate. All the available evidence says he was born in Hawaii, and no one has been able to find the slightest bit of evidence that he was born anywhere else, or that the evidence of his Hawaiian birth is fraudulent.<br /><br />A couple things you've left out of your conspiracy theory: we didn't know if Osama was home at the time of our raid, and success of the mission was by no means guaranteed regardless of how well-trained our SEALs are. If the mission failed, Obama would be toast next election -- the GOP could run almost anybody and be assured of victory.<br /><br />But in your conspiracy theory, Obama was willing to risk his reelection chances, deciding to try to kill Osama for no other reason than preventing diehard birthers from continuing to make fools of themselves and of the GOP. Color me unconvinced. Could Obama really be as diabolically crafty as you believe and yet also be as imprudent as you portray him to be?<br /><br />You know, the news cycle had already moved on from the birth certificate and instead was obsessing on the royal wedding, and now it's focused on Osama's death. In a few days it'll be focused on something else. It's unlikely that birtherism will once again pose a serious threat to the GOP's chances of unseating Obama next year.Confiteborhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17951083063448447552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5774317.post-73698534839182241702011-05-05T10:08:37.632-05:002011-05-05T10:08:37.632-05:00That post summed up my exact thoughts in the few m...That post summed up my exact thoughts in the few moments after I heard the announcement. The BBC was the only media that I heard in the hours after the action that even suggested a connection. Now, only the future will tell what real events occurred in that timeframe. No photo proof and bad birth certificate records look exactly alike to me.Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08381087750301180720noreply@blogger.com